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. these are the very people governor romney was supposed to be trying to get. >> cenk: i think jonathan had the best point. he said since he said it in private, people will give it more credence. so whatever he stays in public, they are going to discount. that's why it was devastating, because right or wrong, the american people thought that's the real mitt romney. >> jennifer: and then yesterday we have the tape of ryan coming out in a speech saying that 30% of america want a welfare state, do not want to achieve the american dream which is just a pile on of that same ethos of that half of the country, or 30% of the country -- >> ayn rand. >> jennifer: exactly right. i agree with eliot i think behind closed doors that he really does think that. i really think that that's how he believes -- >> eliot: can i add an footnote to that. it doesn't mean he is not a generous soul and a good compassionate person but he does believe that there is a big percentage of our public that doesn't aspire to work on its own. >> jennifer: i agree. >> cenk: one thing that got a little overlooked
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